Future of Food, Part 1

Friends,
God did not create Adam and Eve. The quest for God was sparked and funked forward onto this Earth by the first orgasm shared by the first man and woman.

“Oh God! I’m coming!”

And heaven came to earth.

Before the afterglow of naughty bits-full blissful sex gave birth to the religious quest, Adam and Eve also discovered that copulating makes one hungry. In the after-f*ck comes feast.

There is no more important catalyst for a breakdown or a breakthrough for civilization than how we manage the future of food. This is the seventh month of the year 2011, when expected to be born is the seven billionth child. He or she will be hungry, demanding of the future a handout of dream it will not fulfill. He or she will grow up pretty damned angry if dreamy entitlement of Garden of Eden dreams are not delivered, if Satan’s apple is already wormy to the cruddy core before tempted. Seven billion people and counting will chase after the car of success. They will all “catch it”, sometime in the 2020s, because the car had ran out of gas.

Food is fuel for nourishing thoughts that spark plug flash-forward the engine of enterprise, genius, golden ages. Our future advances on what we eat.

Back on 22 September 2009, Ingrid Weithers-Barati of Raw Epicurean.net  interviewed me about the future of food, vegan and vegetarianism, my encounter with Timothy Leary and the recipes of Nostradamus. Many of you may not be aware that Nostradamus was not as obsessed with the future as we think he was. He had many passions to which far more time and years were dedicated, such as being a 16th-century gourmet. He shared his recipes for meals, medicines and fruit preservatives in highly popular books standing for their own part as important examples of French 16th-century literature, beyond those works of prophecy most of us dispute or defend about the future of the world. Nostradamus’ predictions often dwell on the dangers of a future humanity that fails, two out of every three people, taken down by pestilences and most of all by famine. This is a warning to change and not a fate to which we must submit.

But first, let’s eat some future food for thought:

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In this interview, John Hogue shares with us how he became a “rogue” prophecy scholar, his mentors, his thoughts on a plant-based diet, other prophets, like Nostradamus’ culinary passion, John’s other interests, and much more.

Ingrid Weithers-Barati: Tell us a bit about your background What inspired you to become the “rogue” prophecy scholar you are today?

John Hogue: Since being a young boy, I have been an old man growing younger as the body ages. Back then I had a fascination with current events and the repetition of history like a doctor is fascinated with pathology. I wanted to understand “why” history kept repeating itself, and I had an instinctive skepticism of what teachers and authorities taught, because if they really knew what they were talking about, why has humanity not learned history’s lessons. Do we repeat mistakes because we do not learn from history, or, do those who teach us teach the wrong conclusions about history’s lessons? (A very serious young boy, there.)

Anyway, when it started getting too serious I fell into an existential crisis by the time I was in my 20s. So, I began searching for spiritual and religious answers, especially those less orthodox or more Eastern than those I was indoctrinated to follow as a being labeled “Western Caucasian American” stamped on the bum side of my soul. In the process of studying religious paths, I became aware of the prophetic scriptures of the world. It seemed “future history” was just as plagued as the past with patterns of conditioned habits. The future seemed just as repetitively tragic as the past. So, as I embarked since 1980 on the path of meditation on the side was this continued evolution of my study of what made people predictable in the past and predictable in the future.

My work is all about understanding the engine of conditioning each new generation to be as silly and miserable as the past, no matter what the color or design of the cultural or religious blinders put upon the inner eye of their souls as “truth.”

Thus, my iconoclastic experiential slant on prophecy is perhaps unique among prophecy scholars. That is why I am known as a “Rogue Scholar”.

Over the past 30 years, I must have studied enough on my own to become a Rhodes Scholar but I attained no degrees, short of the minimum requirement — a high school diploma — in 1974. More than this degree in society’s de-education of my intelligence was too much to bear. The price for a further dulling of intelligence required I assume deeper degrees of BS, BMs, and ‘piled high and deep’ PhDs of borrowed knowledge.

IWB: Who is/are/were your mentors[s]?

JH: Existence is first and foremost the mentor of us all. It is life itself. There were many others and still many more coming. Ray Bradbury taught me how to write. My meditation teacher, Osho, still teaches me before and beyond the grave to be aware of the witnessing consciousness that abides all changes in the body-mind and to celebrate living as a Zorba the Buddha in the marketplace of a constantly changing and impermanent world we all share. He taught me to be a witness of these things, and more: To be aware of that which is beyond what consciousness reflects. For that I cannot limit my answer in mere words. At a point one must stop talking about H2O and jump into the water. Meditation techniques are a way to prepare for real meditation. Those who want to know more than what I’ve said here must come and meditate with me.

IWB: When did you become a vegetarian, and what motivated you to do so?

JH: I was 25 years old. I was motivated by practicality, not anything holy-baloney “spiritual.” I discovered after a first quarter century of living in this body that it didn’t like animal flesh of any kind. Once I stopped eating it I became a hale and hearty high-energy fellow ever since.

IWB: What are your thoughts on consuming a plant-based diet and the role it plays on the health of our environment?

JH: First off, a word about dietary spiritual conceits. From my experience, vegetarianism does not make you more spiritually evolved. Case in point, Adolf Hitler tried all his life to be a vegetarian while Jesus Christ ate meat.

There are many people, born of Western bodies, who try to claim some spiritual attainment by eating Vegan or Veg. at the cost of making themselves less energetic, unhealthy and mentally dull. I will tell you right now, as a Vegan now for four years, who eats eggs, if at any moment my body impresses upon me the need to eat fish, chicken, lamb, or beef I will do it without hesitation or any spiritual guilt. What is good for Gurdjieff or Muhammad, or all the Sufi mystics, many of the Zen masters, or even poor ole Jesus left hanging around as some lamb sacrifice of God is good for me too.

Now, with that said, my own experience agrees with my own teacher, Osho. About six months after I quit eating meat, fish or chicken I felt a glugginess leave my bodily and nervous system. I felt a lighter quality in my body-mind. I did feel less gross, more sensitive. Moreover, in my case I got physically stronger. I mean, if big 800-pound, muscle bound, chest thumping gorillas can eat bunny-fare and be that big and strong that means there are some animal and human animal people that have bodies like those veggorillas. I’m one of those plant-gorging apes for sure, for now.

Certainly adopting a vegetarian, even vegan, lifestyle lowers my carbon footprint, but let that not prevent people from eating a modest meat diet from time to time if their body needs it. We can still vastly reduce the wasteful farming and green house gas flatulating herds of livestock to help Mother Earth if people simply approach their eating habits in a balanced and intelligent way. Most affluent people simply eat too much, including those who graze like rabbits as proud veggie folk.

IWB: How has vegetarianism contributed to your physical, mental, and spiritual well-being?

JH: I’m not a vegetarian anymore. I am now a Vegan who eats two eggs a day. (Thank you, Chickens of the world!) As I said answering your last question, I definitely grew stronger and less slickly and prone to immune weakness after becoming a veggie guy. The question is, was this improvement solely from becoming a Vegetarian at 25?

It is hard to know because at 25 I also went to India, became initiated as a swami in the Neo-Sannyasin “non-tradition” of Osho. Before this, I started meditating. Therefore, since I like what chickens make, we have a chicken-or-the-egg Zen koan here. Did the diet make me a meditator, or did the meditation make me a vegetarian?

Osho.

There have been great mystics and meditators that have not been vegetarians, so one must wonder? Also, psychosomatic issues might equally have caused the chronic problems I had with my upper and lower GI until I stopped eating meat. Osho’s active meditation techniques and encounter groups put me on the fast track of letting go 25 years of repressed emotions, fears and judgments. We hold things in our bodies.

Osho’s says, “start with the body” in meditation. It sure worked for me. Does therefore my vegetarianism-cum-veganism become a happy extra to this cleansing? Did my psychosomatic bouts of intestinal blockage end because I stopped eating hamburgers? On the other hand, was it the rebirthing session that got me in contact with the life in Napoleon’s army in 1812, at the Battle of Borodino? I received an artillery shell splinter in the gut while on my horse directing a corps of French cavalry into a ravine for cover from cannon in a large Russian breastwork that was rolling my troupers and their horses over like bowling pins for two hours. When wounded in the gut, I calmed my horse. Everyone around me watched as I yelled beau feu! (good shot!) and dropped dead.

Reincarnation studies show that people seem to carry health issues related to traumas in past lives. Once I saw how I died on the battlefield, I never had intestinal “infortitude” ever since (I’m in my 54th year in this body. Update that to 56th year at the time of posting this blog). Was it the veggie diet or was it breaking the unconscious psychosomatic connection a past life bowel injury that killed?

IWB: Would you day eating this way contributes greatly to your meditation practice and your ability to foretell future events? 

JH: I heard Osho say that vegetarianism makes one on the path more escthetic, less gross and dense. My life path experiences would tend to agree with him; however, if at some point this body should need animal products beyond chicken eggs we will put that theory to the test.

I am very surprised how good I feel after I stopped eating dairy products. I was a major cheese eater as a vegetarian, by the way. I do not see myself going back to cheese or meat in the foreseeable future, but one must listen to the body, as it always needs new things. Osho has a meditation for “talking to the body” which I find very helpful

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IWB: Are there any particular types of food, plant-based or otherwise, that can impede your abilities?

JH: Weed. Alcohol. “Silly”-sybens perhaps, although every time in my youth when I was lining up to try the latter I would practice a week of cleansing my body for the best initiatory event. My friends, though, could not wait and consumed them before the week was out.

It all depends. These vegetarian “foods” can aid one, loosen one up, give one a glimpse but a glimpse does not a lifetime of bliss or augury make. For that you can’t knock it back, toke or mushroom your self 24/7 over seventy years like Timothy Leary, who I saw a few months before he died, sitting to the side of the book store area of a Seattle Whole Life Expo in the 1990s, to which I was invited to lecture.

My eyes were pulled to regard this spent and wrinkled candy wrapper of a man, shrunk in his chair. I did not even recognize him at first. It was a visceral moment. Our eyes met. Mine must have conveyed wordlessly the feeling of concern for and a marveling at how this stranger looked physically and spiritually spent. This impression registered in reflection in his eyes and he cowered. Then it dawned in a flash who it was I had regarded in the gap of no-thought was Timothy Leary.

I turned away, embarrassed to have stared, but not sorry to have felt a truth conveyed innocently through me, to him.

Drugs had destroyed Timothy Leary in the name of artificial enlightenment.

You have to find the inner high free of all chains or ticklers for the body-mind.

I mean, what inebriate was available to my consciousness before I was born? What will be available to imbibe when this body-mind imbiber is ash?

The fundamental question is, “who” is having the high? Who is not having a high?

Any dependence on something through the body for expanded consciousness is a path to addiction. There are far more subtle and profound addictions from which we all suffer. For instance, the identification with body-mind and emotions that leads us repeatedly into a cycle of lives lived in ego’s Misery-field.

Food for thought? Or, is the answer something untouched by any food or thought?

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In Part Two of this September 2009 interview, we will delve into the recipes of the galloping gourmet of the 16th century, Michel de Nostradamus, who on his many travels on mule-back across France, Spain and Italy, picked up more than magical tools and powers but developed a sophisticated pallet.

John Hogue
(09 July 2011)

The creeping coup of corporates taking over the US Democracy… The US Supreme Court’s rulings accurately foreseen going against the middle class… The possibility of Democrats and Tea Party Republicans becoming strange bedfellows in a sweeping tax reform in Washington… The Obama Birther controversy becoming a national issue on the floors of Congress… The economy stalling within the first six months of this year, entering a new crisis… All of the above and much more about the year 2011 was predicted and postmarked on the winter solstice of last year. Read what is coming in the second half of this year. Check out Predictions for 2011.

Read my Predictions for 2012:

 

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11 Comments

  1. Posted 1 February 2013 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems as
    though you relied on the video to make your point. You definitely know what youre talking about, why waste your intelligence on just posting videos to your blog when you could be giving us something informative to
    read?

    HOGUE
    This makes no sense to me. I have not put up any video. I have only put up my words in response to the Future of Food article questions. Could you be more clear?

  2. Posted 25 January 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Nice post. I learn something totally new and challenging
    on websites I stumbleupon on a daily basis.

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  3. Michelle Gulley
    Posted 13 July 2011 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Two news stories haunt me, today…:

    The first is that there will be 7 billion people on planet earth, come this October. Won’t be long at all, to see that number rise, looks like.

    Second is most definitely, the bombings and sheer chaos in Mumbai. I spoke to an older gentleman who lives in Mumbai who recently “friended” me on Facebook. He noted that, not only was the sound of the bombings overwhelming, at first, but that no one but police and guards are roaming the streets up until this morning, IST, and that everyone is rattled to the core on some level, mostly choosing to go to work later in the day today, instead of earlier. He said it was silent after the bombings and that he was in an office at the time, working virtually just above the Opera House bombing. He was unhurt and found a way, late into the evening, to hurry home to his wife and young daughter. But some of his co-workers were injured in that blast and taken to the hospital, nearby.

    The planet is increasing with human beings into the many billions, now. But thinking on the terror that this gentle man described in India makes me cringe, in regards to the future of this spinning ball we all share and live on. The space shuttle is ending its mission, returning home again, soon. It would be very different if human beings were peaceful and spread out among the planets and stars. By then, and because we would be a peaceful people, a population crisis would be dealt with compassionately, swiftly. People would be acting in a way that would not impinge or sway others in a way that is negative and stressful.

    It’s almost as if everyone on this planet can already feel it: We’re SOL if we do not work this out. Meanwhile, fossil fuels continue to burn and glow as though this resource is endless and refundable. No one ever noted it will last forever. And even if it did, it’s helping to increase the suffering of many environments on this planet.

    Mumbai makes me think to Easter Island, of that moment that the people realized, “Crap! There’s no more food, no more trees, and no way out.” It makes me shudder, not smile, when I read of the 7 billionth person to arrive soon. 7 billion, and finite resources being overused on a planet that can only really best support half that number of human beings. Only intense peace among nations, global prayer and tolerance and, or, global meditation can help now.

  4. Kira
    Posted 13 July 2011 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    It is interesting that pretty much all my girlfriends say that when they were pregnant, the smell of meat was not pleasant. Although my mother-in-law said she ate a bigmac every day for 9 months when she was pregnant with my husband. She’s dutch, though, so she doesn’t count.

  5. Suzanne
    Posted 12 July 2011 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Jesus says we should be more concerned with what comes out of our mouth (you know, the one we usually have our foot stuck in) rather than what goes into the mouth (our food etc.). He’s right.

  6. Elin
    Posted 11 July 2011 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Love everything about this post. Thanks! :-)

  7. Pat Rardin
    Posted 10 July 2011 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    To add to the above – not to mention the poor animals that had to be left behind in the radiation zone who proferly suffered horrible deaths. I feel so sorry for their owners who were forced to leave them behind – rather like after Katrina. I can only pray that their poor little souls are in the special place that our companion animals go to. What bothered me most is the news people who went into the zone to film actually filmed these poor animals tied up – why did they not at least release them!

    I read a reference to Osho in another source, am not sure what – but I find it extremely intriguing. I am trying to meditate and make certain dietary changes, based on the advise of my local Spiritualist minister, and it is helping, too. I understand wha t you mean about dairy products and them not being particularly good for you. Actually, if you think about it, depending on where your ancestors came from, you are probably best off to eat like they did. Mine came from northern Europe where there was no dairy and meat was eaten only if they were fortunate enough to hunt some down. They probably ate more like the great apes, with nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits which, fortunately, were not contamined like most food is nowadays.

    Received your CD just fine, thank you. Have not been able to look at it just yet – I think I need to download Adobe onto this computer or at least go to a computer that has it. Going through major renovations in the house, which has been taking up a great deal of my time. Still, is a necessity in this economy – if I were to need to put the house on the market, there would be no changece of selling it without these changes, unfortunately. Also would like to have somewhat of a sense of closure, of having completed things I started a long t ime ago. Maybe we all need to tie up our loose ends so we can proceed onward.

  8. rbateman
    Posted 10 July 2011 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    I do believe that Nostradamus was a devout Catholic.
    If he were alive today, would he be reviled for his belief in God?
    I shudder to think that the present world would spit at him, right before they clandestinely killed him. And that is why he hid his work, and would have to do the same today.

  9. Michelle Gulley
    Posted 9 July 2011 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Just heard on the CNN news that there was a 7.0 earthquake that struck just off the coast of Japan at 10:57AM Sunday, JST…

    This one, again, has caused tsunami alerts for the following regions: Iwate, Miyagi, and Fukushima. Said any tsunami there could be up to a half meter high. No other reports, yet. Man, such tragedy there. And then of course, the intense radiation seeping from the Fukushima plant, irradiated foods, school children, and old people… :(

  10. Bernard Continelli
    Posted 9 July 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Interesting comments about mind-alterting substances – especially his attitude about psychedelics (I was once a somewhat “serious tripper” in comparison to some of my friends). However, I personally believe certain plants were in fact put here for our psychological comfort – primarily cannabis / marijuana, and I have been an unrepentant clandestine user from 1974 until the present.

    I also find it interesting that when I used to ‘trip full force’ (on “major, alkaline” hallucinogens, not cannabis) I temporarily went even beyond vegan and turn into a fruitarian – that is if I had any appetite at all. What’s interesting about this is how many religions’ descriptions of the afterlife describe fruit as the main food available, “if one wants to eat at all”.

    Combined with the other fantastic other-worldly aspects of the psychedelic experience, I eventually came to the conclusion that these substances might be in fact windows into other ‘higher-vibrationed’ dimensions of existence that most likely lie beyond the grave, and THIS led me to believe that perhaps some actions that would be unacceptable and even unappealing in other dimensions could be morally acceptable in lower-vibrationed ones such as this “clay” dimension. And finally, through this reasoning I never became a vegetarian nor vegan … something along the logic-lines of “In Heaven there is no beer, that’s why we drink it here”, although older age (54) has made me eat less meat than I used to simply because it is harder to digest for older digestive systems.

    As far as alcohol goes by strange coincidence I bought some Corona beer at the supermarket tonight and … well, you can’t take it with you, so why not?!

  11. Renee
    Posted 9 July 2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I was a vegetarian for 17 years, thinking it was better for my health and the environment. I have recently learned many things that make me put those ideas aside. Being a vegetarian does not automatically lower your carbon footprint. The rise of moncultures (wheat, rice and especially corn) are the major factors resulting in the use of chemicals and loss of topsoil in the US and more and more around the world. If we don’t change this we will have no fertile topsoil left and thus, no food even for the vegetarians. I urge you and any other vegetarials out there to read “The Vegetarian Myth” by Lierre Keith. There is way too much information on this that I could possibly put in a comment. Please, keep an open mind and take a look! Also, check out Polyface Farms and Joel Salatin (the owner). It is a perfect example of how we can raise food (yes, even meat) safely, sustainably and humanely. Thank for listening!

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